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Fishbourne is completely impossible; the word bourne never occurs without -r-, and the vowel never deviates from [u]. A fish-trap in this area is plausible (remnants of such claimed to be of Anglo-Saxon date have been found in Essex estuaries), but I suspect Danish bane in the sense of `track, way, course' is a recent borrowing from German. Peder or Gillian - can you advise on this? Keith ________________________________ From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Stephen Dougherty <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 18 March 2019 01:44 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Fishbane (Suffolk) Then again could it have been an East Anglian pronunciation of Fishbourne, which famously has a parallel near Chichester? Sent from my iPhone On 14 Mar 2019, at 10:00, Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Jeremy: thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not convinced by a V-shaped estuary entrance. I don't think there's any database of the kind you mention. It's quite easy to antedate OED on place-name elements, but our evidence is not usually of a kind acceptable to them, because it doesn't come with a context defining the sense. Keith ________________________________ From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Jeremy Harte <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 13 March 2019 14:40 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Fishbane (Suffolk) Dear Keith, Dear All, There's a Herringbone Field on the TM for Stapleford Abbots (https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=12&ved=2ahUKEwjww-Dfqv_gAhU3DWMBHX5YDNYQFjALegQIAxAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww1.essex.ac.uk%2Fhistory%2Fesah%2Fessexplacenames%2FBooks%2FStapleford%2520Abbots.doc&usg=AOvVaw3pnSaX1RHw8KwXySkdVLOg) and a glance at the map suggests this it was V-shaped. As the Orwell makes a V-shaped turn at the estuary (at least, it does now) could this be the point of reference for Fyshhbane? Congratulations on beating the OED. Is there a record kept in the vast underground bunkers of the EPNS for toponymic citations of words which antedate first forms in the dictionary? Jeremy Harte From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Keith Briggs Sent: 13 March 2019 13:20 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Fishbane (Suffolk) There was a settlement on the south shore of the Orwell estuary called by a name meaning `fish-bone'. I have long been aware of records of it as Fyshhbane 1488 and Fishbane hamlet 1601, but I have recently found that it is much older: Fissbane 1295. Perhaps it is named from a prominent house built with a whale-bone as a door frame, or something similar. Are there any parallels to such a name anywhere else? Keith PS: OED first records "fish-bone" in 1530. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the EPNL list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EPNL&A=1