I presume "on the site" refers to the Kent place.    None of this is mentioned in the ODNB entry on Roger de Leyburn (c.1215–1271).  


Keith


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Roger (1215–71) was the son of Roger de Leyburn, the son of Robert de Leyburn, the son of Philip de Leyburn (died 1194, husband of Amia daughter of Robert or Ralph Fitz-Gerold), according to an exhaustive article in Archaeologia Cantiana 5 pp133–93 (https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/005-1863/005-08.pdf). Amia appears in the Pipe Rolls for Kent 5 Ric I.

 

According to Ray Ingleton’s Fortress Kent (2012) p45, ‘In 1146 Philip and Michael de Laibron, two brothers of Breton descent, living in Leyburn in Yorkshire’s Wensleydale, came into possession of the castle, and twenty years later erected what was known as Lillebourne Castle on the site. Sometime before Philip’s death in 1195, the family name and that of the castle changed to Leyburn and then Leybourne’ (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=muSelO__PQ8C&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=roy+ingleton+fortress+kent+leyburn&source=bl&ots=cTq4BHqedX&sig=ACfU3U0BbzrwnHDIqPwB556Mnkj91LWmpQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYi5OV6eXhAhVPIlAKHV_rA40Q6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=leyburn&f=false)/

 

Jeremy Harte

 

From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Keith Briggs
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Subject: Leyburn (YN) & Leybourne (Kent)

 

No connection is made between the names of Leyburn in Wesley in Yorkshire and Leybourne in Kent in PN YN 257 and Wallenberg, Kentish PNs 255.

 

However, in her book on Libourne (Gironde), Camille Desveaux states (*, p.67) that the Roger de Leyburn who was born in the Kent place in 1215 and gave his name to the French place, came from a family who actually took their name from the Yorkshire place.    No evidence is presented for this claim, but she says that the family moved to Leybourne at a time when it was called Lillieburn (sic; I think no form with -ie- is recorded ), and thus caused the irregular development of the Kent name.

 

If this is right, does anyone know where the evidence is?

 

Keith

 

* Camille Desveaux, Libourne: Genèse d'une bastide pour comprendre la ville actuelle.  Isle Dor, Libourne 2012.

 

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