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Rather than wambling and wamble being "plainly, in essence, the same word", OED under wamble, v. makes it clear that "probably two or more verbs have coalesced", one a word related to Latin vomĕre, another based on the † walm, v., with wamb 'belly' (the source of wambling and wamblong) a possible third admixture. Keith ________________________________ From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Stephen Doughety <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 01 October 2020 01:50 To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: What is a wambling? I think the earliest date given is very late - early 19th century (1808), but English and Anglo-Saxon equivalents have the other meanings given for wammle related to rolling, particularly of the stomach contents, vomiting, but also the idea of rolling around. It is plainly, in essence, the same word, so it does seem reasonable that a wallow might have been called a a wambling. Obviously, we’d need a much earlier example of this usage, but I think it’s something to consider. At the time of the Domesday Book, Assington had 60 pigs, so there would certainly have been a wallow somewhere. A deer park would also have had one. Would some of the ferdering have had animals that needed a wallow? If so, and the wallow was in the park, it would have made sense for it to be adjacent to the ferdering, and for ownership of the wambling to come with ownership of the ferdering. terra Ricardi filii Ernoldi sunt xii ferdering et quoddam wambling in parco de Asintone quod est terra duorum boum est adiacens huic ferdering. On 30 Sep 2020, at 08:39, Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I already suggested this meaning at 10:27:18 yesterday, citing OED †wombling. What is the source of information about the Scots word? What is the date of its usage? Keith ________________________________ From: The English Place-Name List <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Stephen Doughety <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: 30 September 2020 06:42 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: What is a wambling? Could it be a place where the oxen wallow? The similar Scots word Wammle can mean both "1. Of the stomach or its contents: to roll, to stir uneasily, rumble queasily …” and 2. "Of persons and animals: to roll about, to wriggle, writhe, slither, wallow …” Stephen On 13 Sep 2020, at 09:38, Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: A twelfth-century description of land in Assington (Sf) has quoddam wambling in parco de Asintone quod est terra duorum boum(Kalendar of Abbot Samson, ed. Davis p.68). So there's a connection to two cows, but what exactly was it? Keith ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the EPNL list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=EPNL&A=1<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jiscmail.ac.uk%2Fcgi-bin%2FWA-JISC.exe%3FSUBED1%3DEPNL%26A%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Ckeith.briggs%40bt.com%7C48d331960f52425420c708d865a42038%7Ca7f356889c004d5eba4129f146377ab0%7C0%7C0%7C637371103298637735&sdata=L03abvKf9SEZa97%2F%2FtZio4d6kavzwUwIS1xxkTSPQyg%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the EPNL list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=EPNL&A=1<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jiscmail.ac.uk%2Fcgi-bin%2FWA-JISC.exe%3FSUBED1%3DEPNL%26A%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Ckeith.briggs%40bt.com%7C48d331960f52425420c708d865a42038%7Ca7f356889c004d5eba4129f146377ab0%7C0%7C0%7C637371103298637735&sdata=L03abvKf9SEZa97%2F%2FtZio4d6kavzwUwIS1xxkTSPQyg%3D&reserved=0> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the EPNL list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/WA-JISC.exe?SUBED1=EPNL&A=1 This message was issued to members of www.jiscmail.ac.uk/EPNL, a mailing list hosted by www.jiscmail.ac.uk, terms & conditions are available at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/